Comments on: GitS SAC Solid State Society http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/ Get decultured Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:00:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Togusa http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-36040 Togusa Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:36:28 +0000 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-36040 I agree with all of you its a great movie maybe not as filosofical as the Ghost in the shell arc(movies 1 & 2) but it has the pure essence of the Gigs. I really don't get it very clear, because by seeing the SSS i thought the puppeteer was Kuze, what you're trying to say Kauldron26, is that it was really the Major? making use of her subconsciousness? P.S: people who like talking about GITS please add me javii87@hotmail.com I agree with all of you its a great movie maybe not as filosofical as the Ghost in the shell arc(movies 1 & 2) but it has the pure essence of the Gigs. I really don’t get it very clear, because by seeing the SSS i thought the puppeteer was Kuze, what you’re trying to say Kauldron26, is that it was really the Major? making use of her subconsciousness?

P.S: people who like talking about GITS please add me javii87@hotmail.com

]]> By: Elric Dufton http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-25189 Elric Dufton Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:07:15 +0000 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-25189 Respect must be earned, not commanded. Respect must be earned, not commanded.

]]> By: snog http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24610 snog Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:55:56 +0000 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24610 <a href="http://anime.crumplednapkin.net/2007/07/31/solid-state-society-review-and-case-photos/" title="" rel="nofollow">This guy</a> This guy

]]> By: snog http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24609 snog Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:53:08 +0000 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24609 Yes it's very simple, we all understand the dynamics. I'm saying you misinterpreted the role it plays in the story. <blockquote cite="">The film deliberately refuses to offer an answer to the question of what to do with them, instead pointing out that the demographic pyramid IS changing, and sooner or later someone has to decide how best to address it. After dealing with assorted terrorism and immigration themes, it’s reassuring to see the franchise examine yet another social-political issue and leave plenty of food for thought for us to get our teeth into.</blockquote> No one in Japan needs to have it pointed out that their demographic is ageing or their birth-rate is low. These are common issues. This film isn't trying to highlight this issue at all. The film doesn't deliberately refuse to offer an answer. It simply doesn't examine it at all. In this film these issues are just devices used for motivation. This guy got it right: <blockquote cite="http://anime.crumplednapkin.net/2007/07/31/solid-state-society-review-and-case-photos/">THIS film is more ethical than epistemological and I can boil down it to one question: is it fine to take children away from abusive parents and brainwash them into being inheritors of dying retirees’ legacies in order to develop a steady workforce and grow tax revenue?</blockquote> Yes it’s very simple, we all understand the dynamics. I’m saying you misinterpreted the role it plays in the story.

The film deliberately refuses to offer an answer to the question of what to do with them, instead pointing out that the demographic pyramid IS changing, and sooner or later someone has to decide how best to address it. After dealing with assorted terrorism and immigration themes, it’s reassuring to see the franchise examine yet another social-political issue and leave plenty of food for thought for us to get our teeth into.

No one in Japan needs to have it pointed out that their demographic is ageing or their birth-rate is low. These are common issues. This film isn’t trying to highlight this issue at all. The film doesn’t deliberately refuse to offer an answer. It simply doesn’t examine it at all. In this film these issues are just devices used for motivation.

This guy got it right:

THIS film is more ethical than epistemological and I can boil down it to one question: is it fine to take children away from abusive parents and brainwash them into being inheritors of dying retirees’ legacies in order to develop a steady workforce and grow tax revenue?

]]> By: ConcreteBadger http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24602 ConcreteBadger Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:19:27 +0000 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24602 @Snog: I don't see how I misinterpreted the change in demographic. Low birth rates==more older people, it's pretty simple. A low birth rate takes a while to be felt and is pretty subtle so the larger number of old people and fewer able to support them will be an obvious effect before that. It's already happening to some degree I suppose but as life expectancies increase and more younger people make a conscious decision to not have children it will become more obvious - good point on how older people seek out an active solution to their problem though. they're already being ignored and marginalised by society: it's a convincing picture of what could happen if they take things into their own hands and try to change things. Death Note is also a good example of how good intentions can be twisted to give bad actions - sometime soon I'll finish the manga and give an overall impression on it. @Snog: I don’t see how I misinterpreted the change in demographic. Low birth rates==more older people, it’s pretty simple. A low birth rate takes a while to be felt and is pretty subtle so the larger number of old people and fewer able to support them will be an obvious effect before that. It’s already happening to some degree I suppose but as life expectancies increase and more younger people make a conscious decision to not have children it will become more obvious - good point on how older people seek out an active solution to their problem though. they’re already being ignored and marginalised by society: it’s a convincing picture of what could happen if they take things into their own hands and try to change things. Death Note is also a good example of how good intentions can be twisted to give bad actions - sometime soon I’ll finish the manga and give an overall impression on it.

]]> By: snog http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24587 snog Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:18:13 +0000 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24587 You need a spoiler tag so I don't have to talk in cryptics. The last face was the puppeteer. You see the bureaucrat's body walk out of a familiar closet and someone wonders where their egotistical righteousness became cynical enough to justify such actions. Incidentally, those actions are currently sanctioned by lots of governments. The difference is just the criteria for discovering who requires help, and erring on the other side of the line in grey cases. I think you've slightly misinterpreted the part about ageing demographics. This is not a story about old versus new, or even dealing with an ageing demographic. It's slightly about low birth-rates, although that's just used as a motivation. The demographics theme is a red herring. At first it looks like the transistors are preying on others, but their only sin was condoning vigilantism. The transistors are basically giving to a very specific charity rather than the government. They're doing good... mostly. That part of the story is just a tale about how "The ends justify the means." is a bad philosophy. The interesting part of the story was how righteousness, with a slightly different perspective, can go wrong. This should help you understand why someone wants some restrictions again. The same theme was in Death Note; L and Kira are two sides of the a certain righteousness also. You need a spoiler tag so I don’t have to talk in cryptics.

The last face was the puppeteer. You see the bureaucrat’s body walk out of a familiar closet and someone wonders where their egotistical righteousness became cynical enough to justify such actions. Incidentally, those actions are currently sanctioned by lots of governments. The difference is just the criteria for discovering who requires help, and erring on the other side of the line in grey cases.

I think you’ve slightly misinterpreted the part about ageing demographics. This is not a story about old versus new, or even dealing with an ageing demographic. It’s slightly about low birth-rates, although that’s just used as a motivation. The demographics theme is a red herring. At first it looks like the transistors are preying on others, but their only sin was condoning vigilantism. The transistors are basically giving to a very specific charity rather than the government. They’re doing good… mostly. That part of the story is just a tale about how “The ends justify the means.” is a bad philosophy.

The interesting part of the story was how righteousness, with a slightly different perspective, can go wrong. This should help you understand why someone wants some restrictions again. The same theme was in Death Note; L and Kira are two sides of the a certain righteousness also.

]]> By: ConcreteBadger http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24376 ConcreteBadger Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:36:29 +0000 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24376 @Kauldron26: I was confused too - did that final scene mean Kuze was the Puppeteer? Or something else entirely? From what I understand from the second season, there's a lot that went on between Motoko and Kuze, which was probably too much to explore in the time that was left in this film. We were treated to a look at Batou's and Saito's earlier lives in the series but we still know precious little about Motoko - perhaps there was no time to explain that here, which makes the Kuze reference that was thrown in here all the more puzzling. Of course, SSS didn't categorically specify Motoko had joined S9 either, so I wouldn't be surprised at another sequel! @Kauldron26: I was confused too - did that final scene mean Kuze was the Puppeteer? Or something else entirely? From what I understand from the second season, there’s a lot that went on between Motoko and Kuze, which was probably too much to explore in the time that was left in this film. We were treated to a look at Batou’s and Saito’s earlier lives in the series but we still know precious little about Motoko - perhaps there was no time to explain that here, which makes the Kuze reference that was thrown in here all the more puzzling.

Of course, SSS didn’t categorically specify Motoko had joined S9 either, so I wouldn’t be surprised at another sequel!

]]> By: kauldron26 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24351 kauldron26 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 00:43:07 +0000 http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/08/23/gits-sac-solid-state-society/#comment-24351 by far the most disappointing thing about the movie for me was the fact that there was no greater focus and ellaboration on the relationship btw kuze and mokoto. that was why i LOVED 2nd gig in the first place. i can understand that she left s9 because of the death of kuze, but still it would have been great to see her a tiny bit reminiscent or dare i say angsty. by far the most disappointing thing about the movie for me was the fact that there was no greater focus and ellaboration on the relationship btw kuze and mokoto. that was why i LOVED 2nd gig in the first place. i can understand that she left s9 because of the death of kuze, but still it would have been great to see her a tiny bit reminiscent or dare i say angsty.

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