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	<title>Comments on: The Place Promised in Our Early Days</title>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/09/13/the-place-promised-in-our-early-days/#comment-41553</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I just came across your review. Would you mind explaining the "problem" of empathy encountered insofar as I observe there are a variety of cues to "prod" the viewer along a certain path?

Thanks a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I just came across your review. Would you mind explaining the &#8220;problem&#8221; of empathy encountered insofar as I observe there are a variety of cues to &#8220;prod&#8221; the viewer along a certain path?</p>
<p>Thanks a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcreteBadger</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/09/13/the-place-promised-in-our-early-days/#comment-25932</link>
		<dc:creator>ConcreteBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris: Absolutely. The overall sense of hope is what gives Miyazaki's movies such a great 'warm fuzzy feeling', which I think is down to the fact that they're intended primarily for younger viewers, while Shinkai is appealing to older teens/young adults. Miyazaki's stuff is also quite universal, while Shinkai sticks to the romance/drama; as Owen and many others have pointed out, it's probably time for Shinkai to branch out and move on from the same themes of lost love and loneliness, which would probably earn him a wider audience. We'll just have to wait and see what he does next really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris: Absolutely. The overall sense of hope is what gives Miyazaki&#8217;s movies such a great &#8216;warm fuzzy feeling&#8217;, which I think is down to the fact that they&#8217;re intended primarily for younger viewers, while Shinkai is appealing to older teens/young adults. Miyazaki&#8217;s stuff is also quite universal, while Shinkai sticks to the romance/drama; as Owen and many others have pointed out, it&#8217;s probably time for Shinkai to branch out and move on from the same themes of lost love and loneliness, which would probably earn him a wider audience. We&#8217;ll just have to wait and see what he does next really.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really agree with your review of the Promised Place, the movie clearly shows Shinkai’s progression as a film maker. The Promised Place is a much more complete work of art than Voices was, but I feel that Voices will still be remembered as a more groundbreaking work of art. The only gripe that I have with Shinkai's films is that he is always looking towards the past, while it's fine to try and recapture that lost feeling for a first love, one should not be eternally haunted by the ghosts of lost loves. The reasons why Miyazaki's movies are so popular is that he is able to mix in the proper amount of nostalgia with a good dose of a hopeful future. When Shinkai's is finally able to achieve this then he'll be considered a master film maker like Miyazaki.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really agree with your review of the Promised Place, the movie clearly shows Shinkai’s progression as a film maker. The Promised Place is a much more complete work of art than Voices was, but I feel that Voices will still be remembered as a more groundbreaking work of art. The only gripe that I have with Shinkai&#8217;s films is that he is always looking towards the past, while it&#8217;s fine to try and recapture that lost feeling for a first love, one should not be eternally haunted by the ghosts of lost loves. The reasons why Miyazaki&#8217;s movies are so popular is that he is able to mix in the proper amount of nostalgia with a good dose of a hopeful future. When Shinkai&#8217;s is finally able to achieve this then he&#8217;ll be considered a master film maker like Miyazaki.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcreteBadger</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcreteBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Belle: Thanks! I had the honour at the Anime all-nighter, organised by Sci-fi London, of seeing this movie in 2006. It left one hell of an impression on me.

@Owen: Cheers. I'll be reviewing 5cm in the next week or so but TBH Shinkai's stuff leaves me...emotionally drained is the best way to describe it. Anyway, I'll review it but it'll be after I've gathered my thoughts and let it stew in my head for a few days first.

As for how it compares with 5cm, I'll be covering that in length as part of my 5cm review but Place Promised feels more similar to Voices in that it's a sci-fi romance movie while 5cm is a more pure romantic drama. Shinkai seems to 'come of age' as it were with 5cm, while this still needs to fall back onto sci-fi plot devices; it gives a stupendous emotional clout but the plot still leads the viewer by the nose. My experience with 5cm was less of "here's a film maker leading me in a certain direction and a certain gamut of emotions." and more of "here's a situation...make of it what you will."

Basically, Place Promised was a stunning and affecting film but not the endpoint of Shinkai's learning curve as a director. No doubt I'll be able to explain this more clearly when 1) I've not been drinking and 2) I'm not experiencing the emotional 'afterglow' of one of his movies. I'm not mentally - and sentimentally - ready to take on another one of his just yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Belle: Thanks! I had the honour at the Anime all-nighter, organised by Sci-fi London, of seeing this movie in 2006. It left one hell of an impression on me.</p>
<p>@Owen: Cheers. I&#8217;ll be reviewing 5cm in the next week or so but TBH Shinkai&#8217;s stuff leaves me&#8230;emotionally drained is the best way to describe it. Anyway, I&#8217;ll review it but it&#8217;ll be after I&#8217;ve gathered my thoughts and let it stew in my head for a few days first.</p>
<p>As for how it compares with 5cm, I&#8217;ll be covering that in length as part of my 5cm review but Place Promised feels more similar to Voices in that it&#8217;s a sci-fi romance movie while 5cm is a more pure romantic drama. Shinkai seems to &#8216;come of age&#8217; as it were with 5cm, while this still needs to fall back onto sci-fi plot devices; it gives a stupendous emotional clout but the plot still leads the viewer by the nose. My experience with 5cm was less of &#8220;here&#8217;s a film maker leading me in a certain direction and a certain gamut of emotions.&#8221; and more of &#8220;here&#8217;s a situation&#8230;make of it what you will.&#8221;</p>
<p>Basically, Place Promised was a stunning and affecting film but not the endpoint of Shinkai&#8217;s learning curve as a director. No doubt I&#8217;ll be able to explain this more clearly when 1) I&#8217;ve not been drinking and 2) I&#8217;m not experiencing the emotional &#8216;afterglow&#8217; of one of his movies. I&#8217;m not mentally - and sentimentally - ready to take on another one of his just yet!</p>
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		<title>By: Owen S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the mention, I'm honoured, as usual. (:

I need to watch this show once more to see if my opinion of it's changed much. I felt that it felt like an elongated trailer at times (yours truly having watched not one, not two, but four different trailers of it while waiting for it; see &lt;a href="http://www.the-triad.org/index.php?name=News&#38;file=article&#38;sid=196" rel="nofollow"&gt;SUGOI HIKOUKI&lt;/a&gt; for more details), and my second viewing of it was rather "meh". Of course, that was before I took up the "anime apologist" lens, and my first impressions of it might have been distorted somewhat.

Again, I find myself wondering, being in a rather loveless state then -- did my lack of interaction with people in particular, seeing how I went through a sort-of social withdrawal phase, endear me less to it? I don't know. But I suppose your post has motivated me to hunt down the show and watch it for what might be the last time in ages, because I think that while Shinkai did good with 5cm, he didn't go higher than what The Place Promised did. He seems to have reached a plateau of sorts, and will be, if he doesn't move on from the "distance" theme that we're all heartily sick of by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the mention, I&#8217;m honoured, as usual. (:</p>
<p>I need to watch this show once more to see if my opinion of it&#8217;s changed much. I felt that it felt like an elongated trailer at times (yours truly having watched not one, not two, but four different trailers of it while waiting for it; see <a href="http://www.the-triad.org/index.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=196" rel="nofollow">SUGOI HIKOUKI</a> for more details), and my second viewing of it was rather &#8220;meh&#8221;. Of course, that was before I took up the &#8220;anime apologist&#8221; lens, and my first impressions of it might have been distorted somewhat.</p>
<p>Again, I find myself wondering, being in a rather loveless state then &#8212; did my lack of interaction with people in particular, seeing how I went through a sort-of social withdrawal phase, endear me less to it? I don&#8217;t know. But I suppose your post has motivated me to hunt down the show and watch it for what might be the last time in ages, because I think that while Shinkai did good with 5cm, he didn&#8217;t go higher than what The Place Promised did. He seems to have reached a plateau of sorts, and will be, if he doesn&#8217;t move on from the &#8220;distance&#8221; theme that we&#8217;re all heartily sick of by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree. I think you summed up the work perfectly, as The Place Promised does have its flaws, but as a whole, it remans one of my top favorite animated movies, and I love the ending. And the music.

I am jealous you got to see this in cinema, though. You lucky dog, you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree. I think you summed up the work perfectly, as The Place Promised does have its flaws, but as a whole, it remans one of my top favorite animated movies, and I love the ending. And the music.</p>
<p>I am jealous you got to see this in cinema, though. You lucky dog, you.</p>
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