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		<title>By: Serial Experiments Lain and the Digital Flesh &#171; Rahimyr&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serial Experiments Lain and the Digital Flesh &#171; Rahimyr&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Martin Under, (2007), &#8216;Serial Experiment Lains,Retrived on 15 May, 2008:http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/11/08/serial-experiments-lain/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ConcreteBadger</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/11/08/serial-experiments-lain/#comment-29666</link>
		<dc:creator>ConcreteBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dm: that's a nice reading list there - I've been a fan of P K Dick and Arthur C Clarke so I'm willing to check out some speculative sci-fi. From what I've heard, Lain's creative team were particularly well-read so the series no doubt borrows from a lot of disparate sources. It's pretty mind-boggling really!

In trying to estimate how long Lain was in the planning stage for, I'd guess that the seeds were sown in the mid 90's, or possibly even earlier - perhaps the spiritual aspect came first, then the Wired was added to the concept later on as the internet made itself known.

I'm glad you appreciated the artwork too - for some reason it gets criticised quite a lot, which I think isn't quite fair when it's so innovative and pretty good quality for its time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@dm: that&#8217;s a nice reading list there - I&#8217;ve been a fan of P K Dick and Arthur C Clarke so I&#8217;m willing to check out some speculative sci-fi. From what I&#8217;ve heard, Lain&#8217;s creative team were particularly well-read so the series no doubt borrows from a lot of disparate sources. It&#8217;s pretty mind-boggling really!</p>
<p>In trying to estimate how long Lain was in the planning stage for, I&#8217;d guess that the seeds were sown in the mid 90&#8217;s, or possibly even earlier - perhaps the spiritual aspect came first, then the Wired was added to the concept later on as the internet made itself known.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you appreciated the artwork too - for some reason it gets criticised quite a lot, which I think isn&#8217;t quite fair when it&#8217;s so innovative and pretty good quality for its time.</p>
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		<title>By: dm</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/11/08/serial-experiments-lain/#comment-29554</link>
		<dc:creator>dm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought &lt;i&gt;Lain&lt;/i&gt;'s "layers" were allusions to the ISO seven-layer framework for network communications --- not as geekery, but because the term is evocative.  

&lt;i&gt;Lain&lt;/i&gt; appeared in 1998, but I think the seeds of a lot of its sensibility were planted a couple of decades earlier, in the era of John Lilly and Ted Nelson and the &lt;i&gt;Whole Earth Software Review&lt;/i&gt;: the first flush of the computer-utopians (for a glimpse into some of this era, take a look at John Markoff's &lt;i&gt;What the dormouse said&lt;/i&gt;, though, even better if you can find it, Ted Nelson's &lt;i&gt;Dream Machines/Computer Lib&lt;/i&gt; or Stewart Brand's &lt;i&gt;Two cybernetic frontiers&lt;/i&gt;.  &lt;i&gt;Lain&lt;/i&gt; is more of a computer dystopia, but the blending of the psychic and the cybernetic that was used in &lt;i&gt;Lain&lt;/i&gt; echoes a lot of that stuff (and John Lilly is even mentioned in the series, as I recall).

The other thing that always struck me about &lt;i&gt;Lain&lt;/i&gt; is its unique look.  &lt;i&gt;Lain&lt;/i&gt; was still done with cel animation for its characters, but a good deal of the series was done with CGI in a way that was an improvement on most of the series that came after.  You get the impression of real artists exploring the capabilities of new tools to produce a look that was both unique and uniquely appropriate to the series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought <i>Lain</i>&#8217;s &#8220;layers&#8221; were allusions to the ISO seven-layer framework for network communications &#8212; not as geekery, but because the term is evocative.  </p>
<p><i>Lain</i> appeared in 1998, but I think the seeds of a lot of its sensibility were planted a couple of decades earlier, in the era of John Lilly and Ted Nelson and the <i>Whole Earth Software Review</i>: the first flush of the computer-utopians (for a glimpse into some of this era, take a look at John Markoff&#8217;s <i>What the dormouse said</i>, though, even better if you can find it, Ted Nelson&#8217;s <i>Dream Machines/Computer Lib</i> or Stewart Brand&#8217;s <i>Two cybernetic frontiers</i>.  <i>Lain</i> is more of a computer dystopia, but the blending of the psychic and the cybernetic that was used in <i>Lain</i> echoes a lot of that stuff (and John Lilly is even mentioned in the series, as I recall).</p>
<p>The other thing that always struck me about <i>Lain</i> is its unique look.  <i>Lain</i> was still done with cel animation for its characters, but a good deal of the series was done with CGI in a way that was an improvement on most of the series that came after.  You get the impression of real artists exploring the capabilities of new tools to produce a look that was both unique and uniquely appropriate to the series.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcreteBadger</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/11/08/serial-experiments-lain/#comment-29493</link>
		<dc:creator>ConcreteBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brikhaus: I know what you mean. Ghost Hound will provide all the head-scratchery I need in the coming weeks! It's always nice to have a show like that in your viewing schedule, just to give your brain a workout.

@Mike: Yeah, I really enjoyed your article since it highlights the spiritual side of the show. I've always seen it as a sci-fi story but there's more to it than that, as I found out.

@j.valdez: as much as we can push ahead with technological advances, there's no escaping the fact that deep down, we're still the same. One aspect of Lain that makes it so unsettling I think is when this creates a clash - there are still some things that we can't quantify and categories into neat little lines of 1s and 0s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brikhaus: I know what you mean. Ghost Hound will provide all the head-scratchery I need in the coming weeks! It&#8217;s always nice to have a show like that in your viewing schedule, just to give your brain a workout.</p>
<p>@Mike: Yeah, I really enjoyed your article since it highlights the spiritual side of the show. I&#8217;ve always seen it as a sci-fi story but there&#8217;s more to it than that, as I found out.</p>
<p>@j.valdez: as much as we can push ahead with technological advances, there&#8217;s no escaping the fact that deep down, we&#8217;re still the same. One aspect of Lain that makes it so unsettling I think is when this creates a clash - there are still some things that we can&#8217;t quantify and categories into neat little lines of 1s and 0s.</p>
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		<title>By: j.valdez</title>
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		<dc:creator>j.valdez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's shows like Lain that keep me interested in anime. I bought the series a while back, but haven't found the time to rewatch it. Like most others I've acquired, I never know when I'll be able to rewatch the entire thing. 

It's funny how the Matrix, Ghost in the Shell, Lain, among others come up with regard to Dennou Coil. I brought them up as well when I wrote about that show. 

It really is a primal fear of the unknown. People can postulate about whether human consciousness can be boiled down to something as simple as a Turing machine, substrate dependent, or how/if the soul plays a part. The common factor is that people are unwilling to simply let the unknown be un-known. With the willingness to guess at answers comes the hopes and fears that drive the illusions in a series like Lain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s shows like Lain that keep me interested in anime. I bought the series a while back, but haven&#8217;t found the time to rewatch it. Like most others I&#8217;ve acquired, I never know when I&#8217;ll be able to rewatch the entire thing. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how the Matrix, Ghost in the Shell, Lain, among others come up with regard to Dennou Coil. I brought them up as well when I wrote about that show. </p>
<p>It really is a primal fear of the unknown. People can postulate about whether human consciousness can be boiled down to something as simple as a Turing machine, substrate dependent, or how/if the soul plays a part. The common factor is that people are unwilling to simply let the unknown be un-known. With the willingness to guess at answers comes the hopes and fears that drive the illusions in a series like Lain.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh wait, that's right. You actually commented on that post! Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh wait, that&#8217;s right. You actually commented on that post! Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really is the most theological as well as intellectually coherent anime I've seen yet. (I have &lt;I&gt;Haibane Renmei&lt;/I&gt; but haven't watched it yet.) I've written about it in &lt;a href="http://animediet.net/archives/889" rel="nofollow"&gt;a years-old post I recently revived&lt;/a&gt;, and it's still one of my favorite reflections on anime. May this tribe of anime increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really is the most theological as well as intellectually coherent anime I&#8217;ve seen yet. (I have <i>Haibane Renmei</i> but haven&#8217;t watched it yet.) I&#8217;ve written about it in <a href="http://animediet.net/archives/889" rel="nofollow">a years-old post I recently revived</a>, and it&#8217;s still one of my favorite reflections on anime. May this tribe of anime increase.</p>
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		<title>By: BrikHaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrikHaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lain is really a great series. It's funny you should bring it up, because I have been considering rewatching it. Maybe after Ghost Hound is over, I'll watch it. I can only handle so many "hard to figure out" series at once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lain is really a great series. It&#8217;s funny you should bring it up, because I have been considering rewatching it. Maybe after Ghost Hound is over, I&#8217;ll watch it. I can only handle so many &#8220;hard to figure out&#8221; series at once.</p>
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