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		<title>By: Death of the Animator &#171; The Animanachronism</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/12/03/clannad-7-9/#comment-36007</link>
		<dc:creator>Death of the Animator &#171; The Animanachronism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mentioned (incorrectly, I feel) the Intentional Fallacy when commenting on this post at The End of the World (I love being able to type &#8216;at the end of the world&#8217;), which [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mentioned (incorrectly, I feel) the Intentional Fallacy when commenting on this post at The End of the World (I love being able to type &#8216;at the end of the world&#8217;), which [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan-Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/12/03/clannad-7-9/#comment-34418</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan-Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My big problem was that in some ways yes t was manipulative. But then in others it is more character realistic that nagisa would be quick to the waterworks. In the presentation though, yes it was manipulative but even then I tried not to read too much into it. Often, people try to find a deeper meaning instead of at times just taking the simple facts and understanding their meaning.

I felt the ending for Fuuko was really well done myself, and the elements which made this fantasy were really what made me even like keys genre in the first place. The overall metaphor and in joke use is really a good way of connecting a base roblem then elaboratly resolving it. Take fuuko, when you remove the projection issue you find a simple case. a sort of misfit school girl of whom nobody notices. Then when she actually tries to interact, people come to know her. but the overall fragility of popularity is noted when people begin to forget her. I believe this says (or alludes to if the term even applies properly) that if you do seek out to become popular yet you don't continue to enhance sustain these friends of yours, you will find yourself alone once more. 

I could be wrong. But I find the themes and the metaphors to be quite rich in the series. the plot devices, the escapist notions and other such manners used to deliver this series is a bit more complex. Fortunatly though, Clannad, unlike kanon (and I can't believe I am saying this) Has a more complex character style. Instead of an emotionally stale and overly stereotyped character style, you have actual working characters. But then I guess the leve of complexity with Kanon when it was first made was seen as something new and revolutionary with only select cases out of all that anime in which the chars were as well developed (sadly enough that says a good deal about effort as some of the greatest anime of all time had excellent character presentation)


I think I've ranted and usd my little soap box enough though. I am glad to see you are following this series and find the rest of it enjoyable. After todays eppy for example. I have to say that I am enjoying the series a bit more each time. Especially with the kyou/ryou situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My big problem was that in some ways yes t was manipulative. But then in others it is more character realistic that nagisa would be quick to the waterworks. In the presentation though, yes it was manipulative but even then I tried not to read too much into it. Often, people try to find a deeper meaning instead of at times just taking the simple facts and understanding their meaning.</p>
<p>I felt the ending for Fuuko was really well done myself, and the elements which made this fantasy were really what made me even like keys genre in the first place. The overall metaphor and in joke use is really a good way of connecting a base roblem then elaboratly resolving it. Take fuuko, when you remove the projection issue you find a simple case. a sort of misfit school girl of whom nobody notices. Then when she actually tries to interact, people come to know her. but the overall fragility of popularity is noted when people begin to forget her. I believe this says (or alludes to if the term even applies properly) that if you do seek out to become popular yet you don&#8217;t continue to enhance sustain these friends of yours, you will find yourself alone once more. </p>
<p>I could be wrong. But I find the themes and the metaphors to be quite rich in the series. the plot devices, the escapist notions and other such manners used to deliver this series is a bit more complex. Fortunatly though, Clannad, unlike kanon (and I can&#8217;t believe I am saying this) Has a more complex character style. Instead of an emotionally stale and overly stereotyped character style, you have actual working characters. But then I guess the leve of complexity with Kanon when it was first made was seen as something new and revolutionary with only select cases out of all that anime in which the chars were as well developed (sadly enough that says a good deal about effort as some of the greatest anime of all time had excellent character presentation)</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve ranted and usd my little soap box enough though. I am glad to see you are following this series and find the rest of it enjoyable. After todays eppy for example. I have to say that I am enjoying the series a bit more each time. Especially with the kyou/ryou situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Epic Win Blog &#187; But Clannad Sucks! Did I Miss Something?</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/12/03/clannad-7-9/#comment-33376</link>
		<dc:creator>Epic Win Blog &#187; But Clannad Sucks! Did I Miss Something?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was too busy rolling my eyes to be able to shed any tears. Yet the rest of the blogosphere has been filled with nothing but &#8220;FU-CHAN BAAAAAAAAAAAW!!&#8221; and endless praise for the story. At first I passed it off as the Key fanboys doing their usual thing, but even Martin over at Concrete Badger, a true man&#8217;s man whose opinion I value, gave Clannad a favorable review. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was too busy rolling my eyes to be able to shed any tears. Yet the rest of the blogosphere has been filled with nothing but &#8220;FU-CHAN BAAAAAAAAAAAW!!&#8221; and endless praise for the story. At first I passed it off as the Key fanboys doing their usual thing, but even Martin over at Concrete Badger, a true man&#8217;s man whose opinion I value, gave Clannad a favorable review. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ConcreteBadger</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2007/12/03/clannad-7-9/#comment-33358</link>
		<dc:creator>ConcreteBadger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Owen S: Widescreen, eh? I might wait to see if the DVD edition has that. It's certainly a pretty enough show to warrant that.

@Mirrinus: ironic, why? Sorry for any misunderstanding but my point was that, after the less-than-subtle ('manipulative') scenes of Nagisa turning on the waterworks, the portrayal of Fuuko's situation did a more effective job at evoking a reaction. For sure, all stories do this but it's the execution that varies - I was trying to draw attention to how these episodes ended up doing it in a more subtle and effective way than I expected them to.

@IKnight: you beat me to it there. I'm not well versed in literary criticism and arguing - I'm more of a thoughts-and-observations kidn of blogger I'm afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Owen S: Widescreen, eh? I might wait to see if the DVD edition has that. It&#8217;s certainly a pretty enough show to warrant that.</p>
<p>@Mirrinus: ironic, why? Sorry for any misunderstanding but my point was that, after the less-than-subtle (&#8217;manipulative&#8217;) scenes of Nagisa turning on the waterworks, the portrayal of Fuuko&#8217;s situation did a more effective job at evoking a reaction. For sure, all stories do this but it&#8217;s the execution that varies - I was trying to draw attention to how these episodes ended up doing it in a more subtle and effective way than I expected them to.</p>
<p>@IKnight: you beat me to it there. I&#8217;m not well versed in literary criticism and arguing - I&#8217;m more of a thoughts-and-observations kidn of blogger I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: IKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>IKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one sense every show is manipulative - the trick's in doing it well enough that we don't care, or else to do it subtly enough that we don't notice (the latter is harder, I feel).

And no, that's not falling into the intentional fallacy. If we accuse Kyoto Animation, rather than the show, of being manipulative, it would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one sense every show is manipulative - the trick&#8217;s in doing it well enough that we don&#8217;t care, or else to do it subtly enough that we don&#8217;t notice (the latter is harder, I feel).</p>
<p>And no, that&#8217;s not falling into the intentional fallacy. If we accuse Kyoto Animation, rather than the show, of being manipulative, it would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirrinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirrinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I find it ironic that you could call a show manipulative. Is there any story that isn't? I'm sure you can make a reasonable argument for any show to be manipulative; after all, how else do you invoke emotions? A story that never actually tries likely isn't worth watching to begin with, it seems. To assume that a show is being manipulative is to presume the purposes and mindset of its creators, and thus fall into intentional fallacy.

Regardless though, Clannad 9 was a fantastic conclusion to Fuuko's arc. I'm pretty amazed at how many people reversed their opinions on Fuuko after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I find it ironic that you could call a show manipulative. Is there any story that isn&#8217;t? I&#8217;m sure you can make a reasonable argument for any show to be manipulative; after all, how else do you invoke emotions? A story that never actually tries likely isn&#8217;t worth watching to begin with, it seems. To assume that a show is being manipulative is to presume the purposes and mindset of its creators, and thus fall into intentional fallacy.</p>
<p>Regardless though, Clannad 9 was a fantastic conclusion to Fuuko&#8217;s arc. I&#8217;m pretty amazed at how many people reversed their opinions on Fuuko after that.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heartily agree; don't know about you, but I find it pretty amazing when you can see a character doing something from a mile off, tell yourself you're not falling for its tricks, and then proceed to tear up anyway. I'll certainly be looking forward to rewatching Fuuko's entire arc in widescreen in 3 weeks, that's for sure..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heartily agree; don&#8217;t know about you, but I find it pretty amazing when you can see a character doing something from a mile off, tell yourself you&#8217;re not falling for its tricks, and then proceed to tear up anyway. I&#8217;ll certainly be looking forward to rewatching Fuuko&#8217;s entire arc in widescreen in 3 weeks, that&#8217;s for sure..</p>
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