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	<description>Get decultured</description>
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		<dc:creator>Richard (NZ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saikano, for me, was the most single handed, brutal, emotionally destroying media i have ever come across in my 24 years on this planet.

My mother dying almost pales in comparison.

After watching this series on dvd i was emotionally destroyed for 2 weeks!, yes 2 WEEKS! and at one point, i cried after replaying a few scenes in my mind.

As a fantastic Anime i would recommend it to anyone. On the other hand i would recommend it to no-one other than ex military hardened soldiers, whom even so i believe would be fighting back tears after this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saikano, for me, was the most single handed, brutal, emotionally destroying media i have ever come across in my 24 years on this planet.</p>
<p>My mother dying almost pales in comparison.</p>
<p>After watching this series on dvd i was emotionally destroyed for 2 weeks!, yes 2 WEEKS! and at one point, i cried after replaying a few scenes in my mind.</p>
<p>As a fantastic Anime i would recommend it to anyone. On the other hand i would recommend it to no-one other than ex military hardened soldiers, whom even so i believe would be fighting back tears after this.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Zoidberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tbh the only episode I liked was the first one. Mostly because it seemed rather down to earth, while the rest wanted me to take things that were just too ridiculous (Especially the end episodes).

I have to agree that the motives and actions of the main cast were rather convoluted through out the series, which hampered my attempts to connect to the characters. I think actually if that problem didn't exist, I would have liked the series a lot better.

In summery, I would say this anime had quite a bit of potential, and in the beginning it did. But as the series went on it got worse and worse in terms of characters, story, and presentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tbh the only episode I liked was the first one. Mostly because it seemed rather down to earth, while the rest wanted me to take things that were just too ridiculous (Especially the end episodes).</p>
<p>I have to agree that the motives and actions of the main cast were rather convoluted through out the series, which hampered my attempts to connect to the characters. I think actually if that problem didn&#8217;t exist, I would have liked the series a lot better.</p>
<p>In summery, I would say this anime had quite a bit of potential, and in the beginning it did. But as the series went on it got worse and worse in terms of characters, story, and presentation.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cameron Probert: as far as I know there isn't a R2 version of N&#038;T, H&#038;T although the R1s still seem to be available. They might take a bit of tracking down but I think it'll be worth my while.

@Sasa: I try to avoid political commentary wherever possible, although I admit I take it for granted that my lack of opinion in that subject and my pacifist views are obvious from my writing already. Misunderstandings are bound to happen I guess. As for the way the characterisation is handled, I was really impressed but like you had a lot of mixed feelings concerning the characters' motives and decisions. Your points are noted though, and will hopefully be addressed in my second post on the series. Sadly I have a bit of writer's block today so it'll have to wait until tomorrow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cameron Probert: as far as I know there isn&#8217;t a R2 version of N&#038;T, H&#038;T although the R1s still seem to be available. They might take a bit of tracking down but I think it&#8217;ll be worth my while.</p>
<p>@Sasa: I try to avoid political commentary wherever possible, although I admit I take it for granted that my lack of opinion in that subject and my pacifist views are obvious from my writing already. Misunderstandings are bound to happen I guess. As for the way the characterisation is handled, I was really impressed but like you had a lot of mixed feelings concerning the characters&#8217; motives and decisions. Your points are noted though, and will hopefully be addressed in my second post on the series. Sadly I have a bit of writer&#8217;s block today so it&#8217;ll have to wait until tomorrow!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Props to you, Martin, for simply ignoring the obnoxiously political statements in the comments. In fact, when I watched Saikano years ago, I was seriously disturbed by the way war was presented in the anime. Going to fight in a war for a reason like protecting one's own girlfriend is completely nonsense for me. (As if contributing to killing others would save your girlfriend, you'd better stay with her and watch over her.)

In my eyes, Saikano had both: It was glorifying war and showing its cruelties at the same time, and I seriously didn't know what to think about the series. In addition, the morality of love was somewhat blurry and questionable too: Chise and Shuji were portrayed as a truly loving couple, but then, both of them engaged into an at least physical relationship with somebody else, even resulting in jealousy scenes.
However, Akemi's death has had a huge impact on me, I think it is one of the most powerful scenes anime has ever produced, and considering these memorable merits, Saikano is still very high in my esteem. I am glad that people still talk about this series and lots have actually watched it.
There also is a really great AMV with Shiina Ringo - Love is blind, I can't find it on Youtube though. -.- It really reflects the emotional impact Saikano has on the viewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Props to you, Martin, for simply ignoring the obnoxiously political statements in the comments. In fact, when I watched Saikano years ago, I was seriously disturbed by the way war was presented in the anime. Going to fight in a war for a reason like protecting one&#8217;s own girlfriend is completely nonsense for me. (As if contributing to killing others would save your girlfriend, you&#8217;d better stay with her and watch over her.)</p>
<p>In my eyes, Saikano had both: It was glorifying war and showing its cruelties at the same time, and I seriously didn&#8217;t know what to think about the series. In addition, the morality of love was somewhat blurry and questionable too: Chise and Shuji were portrayed as a truly loving couple, but then, both of them engaged into an at least physical relationship with somebody else, even resulting in jealousy scenes.<br />
However, Akemi&#8217;s death has had a huge impact on me, I think it is one of the most powerful scenes anime has ever produced, and considering these memorable merits, Saikano is still very high in my esteem. I am glad that people still talk about this series and lots have actually watched it.<br />
There also is a really great AMV with Shiina Ringo - Love is blind, I can&#8217;t find it on Youtube though. -.- It really reflects the emotional impact Saikano has on the viewer.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Probert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was N&#38;T, H&#38;T released by Geneon in England? Cause it came out through Central Park out here in the US.</description>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ai: the obvious fact that Japan is still aware of certain historical events and has produced some very serious allegoraries in anime (e.g. Saikano, Grave of the Fireflies, Barfoot Gen) makes it all the more interesting that the "wow, cool mecha and explosions!" aspect of the medium is so prevalent. But then, the latter could be the more well-advertised type because it's more marketable abroad than the downbeat drama approach. In terms of 'phrasing my question' in the way I did, I'll just assume you misunderstood my post. Who 'wins' a war in the eyes of history textbooks wasn't my point - rather, I merely find the way in which Japanese popular culture views this sort of thing to be interesting.

@kdp: I found the same thing with Grave of the Fireflies - it's a brilliant film but I still haven't brought myself to rewatch it yet.

@Chris: I've heard good things about Now and Then, Here and There but I think it may have been one of those series 'lost' in the Geneon fiasco. I hope this isn't the case because I'm quite interested in watching it. As for the violence I've never served in the military but Saikano's approach really left an impression on me - it's going back to that contrast with, say, Gundam and Appleseed, who have this jarring contrast between condemning the morality of waging war but at the same time making entertainment out of the action scenes. I think news coverage is desensitising us, but that's a whole issue all of itself.

@korosora: the review for the OAV is coming up later. Promise! ^_^

@Cameron Probert: I can't be sure on this until I've read it, but I suspect that the art style of the anime may be trying to replicate that of the manga, so that's more the original author's decision than the studio's. Either way, I concede that it's very effective at lulling the viewer into a false sense of security with all the carefree summer school days, before everything goes horribly wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ai: the obvious fact that Japan is still aware of certain historical events and has produced some very serious allegoraries in anime (e.g. Saikano, Grave of the Fireflies, Barfoot Gen) makes it all the more interesting that the &#8220;wow, cool mecha and explosions!&#8221; aspect of the medium is so prevalent. But then, the latter could be the more well-advertised type because it&#8217;s more marketable abroad than the downbeat drama approach. In terms of &#8216;phrasing my question&#8217; in the way I did, I&#8217;ll just assume you misunderstood my post. Who &#8216;wins&#8217; a war in the eyes of history textbooks wasn&#8217;t my point - rather, I merely find the way in which Japanese popular culture views this sort of thing to be interesting.</p>
<p>@kdp: I found the same thing with Grave of the Fireflies - it&#8217;s a brilliant film but I still haven&#8217;t brought myself to rewatch it yet.</p>
<p>@Chris: I&#8217;ve heard good things about Now and Then, Here and There but I think it may have been one of those series &#8216;lost&#8217; in the Geneon fiasco. I hope this isn&#8217;t the case because I&#8217;m quite interested in watching it. As for the violence I&#8217;ve never served in the military but Saikano&#8217;s approach really left an impression on me - it&#8217;s going back to that contrast with, say, Gundam and Appleseed, who have this jarring contrast between condemning the morality of waging war but at the same time making entertainment out of the action scenes. I think news coverage is desensitising us, but that&#8217;s a whole issue all of itself.</p>
<p>@korosora: the review for the OAV is coming up later. Promise! ^_^</p>
<p>@Cameron Probert: I can&#8217;t be sure on this until I&#8217;ve read it, but I suspect that the art style of the anime may be trying to replicate that of the manga, so that&#8217;s more the original author&#8217;s decision than the studio&#8217;s. Either way, I concede that it&#8217;s very effective at lulling the viewer into a false sense of security with all the carefree summer school days, before everything goes horribly wrong.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Probert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 02:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good review.

Although, I'm largely torn on SaiKano. On the one hand, I think it does all of the things that you pointed out. It definitely portrays the effects of war in a way that is heart-wrenching. In fact, I actually think that the childish, pastel character designs highlight rather than detract from that distinction. One of my favorite things about the series is that fact that everything in the town "felt" normal but there was this undercurrent that something big and horrible was happening somewhere else. And it was lurking right on the edge of the consciousness of everyone. But they were forced or needed to (depending on which way you look at it) to keep on living. 

In a lot of ways, it reminded me about my feelings on Iraq. Especially with movies like Stop-Loss coming out over here and the fact that they're met with such a cool shoulder because people really don't want to face what's going on right now, they'd rather stay in their pastel world.

Which is probably why I'm torn on it. In general, I partake in fiction to escape reality, to see people do things that I can't or won't be able to do. So while I think Saikano is an experience, it's a painful, heart-wrenching and emotionally draining experience. Because like one of the commenters said, no one is really able to do anything about the situation. 

So I'm not sure if that says something about me. Or about the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good review.</p>
<p>Although, I&#8217;m largely torn on SaiKano. On the one hand, I think it does all of the things that you pointed out. It definitely portrays the effects of war in a way that is heart-wrenching. In fact, I actually think that the childish, pastel character designs highlight rather than detract from that distinction. One of my favorite things about the series is that fact that everything in the town &#8220;felt&#8221; normal but there was this undercurrent that something big and horrible was happening somewhere else. And it was lurking right on the edge of the consciousness of everyone. But they were forced or needed to (depending on which way you look at it) to keep on living. </p>
<p>In a lot of ways, it reminded me about my feelings on Iraq. Especially with movies like Stop-Loss coming out over here and the fact that they&#8217;re met with such a cool shoulder because people really don&#8217;t want to face what&#8217;s going on right now, they&#8217;d rather stay in their pastel world.</p>
<p>Which is probably why I&#8217;m torn on it. In general, I partake in fiction to escape reality, to see people do things that I can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t be able to do. So while I think Saikano is an experience, it&#8217;s a painful, heart-wrenching and emotionally draining experience. Because like one of the commenters said, no one is really able to do anything about the situation. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not sure if that says something about me. Or about the show.</p>
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		<dc:creator>korosora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved this series.
Watch the OVA too! :3</description>
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Watch the OVA too! :3</p>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 01:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post on Saikano, I've thought about doing one for a while but I don't think I could take the sadness of watching the series again. I've shown this series twice for anime club's that I've ran, and the reactions varied from viewer's loving the show to many if not most of the college kids having to leave because they couldn't "take it". I also had a very similar reaction from the club's viewers when I showed &lt;strong&gt;Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku Aka Now and Then, Here and there &lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;Graveyard of Fireflies&lt;/strong&gt;, I think that western anime viewers like their anime violence distant and righteous. Anime like &lt;strong&gt;Saikano&lt;/strong&gt; and other anime like it show the effects of violence, death and destruction up close and in your face, and that makes a lot of western viewers uncomfortable. I spent 23 years in the US Army and have been in combat, and I feel that &lt;strong&gt;Saikano&lt;/strong&gt; portrays the effects of warfare on civilians in a realistic nature, in Iraq depending on who's figures you believe between 10 and 100 civilians have died from the effects of combat or the chaos that follows those military operations for every uniformed solider, every time a bomb, shell, or bullet misses it's intended target it's possible a perfectly innocent civilian or several civilians could be struck down while going about their everyday lives. I think that most western anime viewers and a lot of western people in general are shielded from the horrors of war (&lt;em&gt;collateral damage&lt;/em&gt;) by their news media and governments. The power of Saikano comes from us the viewers feeling the utter horror and sense of uselessness that comes from the deaths of characters we have come to know and like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post on Saikano, I&#8217;ve thought about doing one for a while but I don&#8217;t think I could take the sadness of watching the series again. I&#8217;ve shown this series twice for anime club&#8217;s that I&#8217;ve ran, and the reactions varied from viewer&#8217;s loving the show to many if not most of the college kids having to leave because they couldn&#8217;t &#8220;take it&#8221;. I also had a very similar reaction from the club&#8217;s viewers when I showed <strong>Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku Aka Now and Then, Here and there </strong> and <strong>Graveyard of Fireflies</strong>, I think that western anime viewers like their anime violence distant and righteous. Anime like <strong>Saikano</strong> and other anime like it show the effects of violence, death and destruction up close and in your face, and that makes a lot of western viewers uncomfortable. I spent 23 years in the US Army and have been in combat, and I feel that <strong>Saikano</strong> portrays the effects of warfare on civilians in a realistic nature, in Iraq depending on who&#8217;s figures you believe between 10 and 100 civilians have died from the effects of combat or the chaos that follows those military operations for every uniformed solider, every time a bomb, shell, or bullet misses it&#8217;s intended target it&#8217;s possible a perfectly innocent civilian or several civilians could be struck down while going about their everyday lives. I think that most western anime viewers and a lot of western people in general are shielded from the horrors of war (<em>collateral damage</em>) by their news media and governments. The power of Saikano comes from us the viewers feeling the utter horror and sense of uselessness that comes from the deaths of characters we have come to know and like.</p>
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		<dc:creator>kdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The manga author, Shin Takahashi, said in his afterword in the manga that Saikano left him depressed for about two years.  I believe it.  It's an amazing anime that I can't bear to re-watch just yet.  It honestly hurts, even though it's really good.  

The scariest thing in Saikano that depressed me the most was how little influence everyone had over the events.  Most stories in books and TV follow characters that have influence over the future.  However, here we have a story where even Chise, who is extremely powerful, is basically just one of many powerful things being thrown around. As she comments at one point, her presence as a weapon was not required - she was just a convenient way of doing what they could have done with other weapons.  It's a sobering and depressing thought that no matter what you do, it might not matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The manga author, Shin Takahashi, said in his afterword in the manga that Saikano left him depressed for about two years.  I believe it.  It&#8217;s an amazing anime that I can&#8217;t bear to re-watch just yet.  It honestly hurts, even though it&#8217;s really good.  </p>
<p>The scariest thing in Saikano that depressed me the most was how little influence everyone had over the events.  Most stories in books and TV follow characters that have influence over the future.  However, here we have a story where even Chise, who is extremely powerful, is basically just one of many powerful things being thrown around. As she comments at one point, her presence as a weapon was not required - she was just a convenient way of doing what they could have done with other weapons.  It&#8217;s a sobering and depressing thought that no matter what you do, it might not matter.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I once again wonder why anime, and modern Japan in general, portrays warfare in film in the way it does.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a country where the people who remember WW2 remember it VERY clearly, and treat the subject very sombrely.  Their war memorials have the same tone towards this--that of a  grave mistake, and humanity's need to make sure  nothing like it ever happens again.  

Japan remembers its humiliation in WW2 VERY well; perhaps you might want to not phrase your question quite this way.  After all, your country won the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I once again wonder why anime, and modern Japan in general, portrays warfare in film in the way it does.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a country where the people who remember WW2 remember it VERY clearly, and treat the subject very sombrely.  Their war memorials have the same tone towards this&#8211;that of a  grave mistake, and humanity&#8217;s need to make sure  nothing like it ever happens again.  </p>
<p>Japan remembers its humiliation in WW2 VERY well; perhaps you might want to not phrase your question quite this way.  After all, your country won the war.</p>
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