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	<title>Comments on: Kurenai end: to hell with realism, this ruled</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2008/06/26/kurenai-end-to-hell-with-realism-this-ruled/#comment-45351</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@xdotx: I think you've misunderstood what the show was getting at - and the fact that Murasaki stayed with the Kuhouins was specifically so she wouldn't be running away. As for the politics thing, you're kidding, right?

@Matrim: cheers. Yeah, it's part review, part editorial. I try to blur the line between the two, or just write without trying to make it one or the other. As for the show itself, "Realism is nothing, inherent logic within a show is everything." is a great way of putting it actually. I'm dying to see Planetes too, but I can't afford it right now, sadly.

@Baka-Raptor: there are flaws, but they're kinda minor so I thought I'd mention them but highlight how the good aspects are much more important. If you want flawless, check out Mushishi! :P

@ka: I'm not sure if there will be a second season - not without making large changes to the novel's storyline or similar...or so I've heard. I'd still like to see how Shin and Murasaki get on in life a few years down the line.

@Hanners: I wasn't sure how Benika survived that injury either. But then, her driving skills are superhuman too...still, when it does everything else so well I still can't dwell on trivialities like that.

@Absolutely Steve: you have a pretty good grasp on the ending as far as I can tell - the characters really are the most important thing, and the action serves as a secondary thing. If Shinkuro whisked Murasaki away again, I'm not sure there would be that feeling of resolution.

@Peter S: I couldn't agree more! It's not often when I'm impatiently checking the listings almost daily, just to grab the next ep and see what happens next. I'd love to see it on DVD (as Red Garden is, quite recently) but we'll have to wait and see.

@TheBigN: Definitely - twelve episodes weren't enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@xdotx: I think you&#8217;ve misunderstood what the show was getting at - and the fact that Murasaki stayed with the Kuhouins was specifically so she wouldn&#8217;t be running away. As for the politics thing, you&#8217;re kidding, right?</p>
<p>@Matrim: cheers. Yeah, it&#8217;s part review, part editorial. I try to blur the line between the two, or just write without trying to make it one or the other. As for the show itself, &#8220;Realism is nothing, inherent logic within a show is everything.&#8221; is a great way of putting it actually. I&#8217;m dying to see Planetes too, but I can&#8217;t afford it right now, sadly.</p>
<p>@Baka-Raptor: there are flaws, but they&#8217;re kinda minor so I thought I&#8217;d mention them but highlight how the good aspects are much more important. If you want flawless, check out Mushishi! <img src='http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ka: I&#8217;m not sure if there will be a second season - not without making large changes to the novel&#8217;s storyline or similar&#8230;or so I&#8217;ve heard. I&#8217;d still like to see how Shin and Murasaki get on in life a few years down the line.</p>
<p>@Hanners: I wasn&#8217;t sure how Benika survived that injury either. But then, her driving skills are superhuman too&#8230;still, when it does everything else so well I still can&#8217;t dwell on trivialities like that.</p>
<p>@Absolutely Steve: you have a pretty good grasp on the ending as far as I can tell - the characters really are the most important thing, and the action serves as a secondary thing. If Shinkuro whisked Murasaki away again, I&#8217;m not sure there would be that feeling of resolution.</p>
<p>@Peter S: I couldn&#8217;t agree more! It&#8217;s not often when I&#8217;m impatiently checking the listings almost daily, just to grab the next ep and see what happens next. I&#8217;d love to see it on DVD (as Red Garden is, quite recently) but we&#8217;ll have to wait and see.</p>
<p>@TheBigN: Definitely - twelve episodes weren&#8217;t enough!</p>
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		<title>By: TheBigN</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBigN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually thought things were resolved a bit too quickly after all the buildup, but oh well. It didn't really tickle me in the places that a show does for me to look at it like it was a memorable experience, but it was still a fun episode. Here's to hoping for some extra episodes. :3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually thought things were resolved a bit too quickly after all the buildup, but oh well. It didn&#8217;t really tickle me in the places that a show does for me to look at it like it was a memorable experience, but it was still a fun episode. Here&#8217;s to hoping for some extra episodes. :3</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all its character work, this series was still working within a linear story structure.  When it screws around with the inherent believability some people are always going to object.  The big head-scratcher for me was Yayoi's complete recovery from her beating last episode.

On the other hand, I LIKED how she kicked butt in the last ep.  So I put that incongruity (like the others) to the side and just enjoyed.

The characters were developed so well that I was almost afraid to watch the last couple episodes because I was afraid of what might happen to them.  Which is a credit to the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all its character work, this series was still working within a linear story structure.  When it screws around with the inherent believability some people are always going to object.  The big head-scratcher for me was Yayoi&#8217;s complete recovery from her beating last episode.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I LIKED how she kicked butt in the last ep.  So I put that incongruity (like the others) to the side and just enjoyed.</p>
<p>The characters were developed so well that I was almost afraid to watch the last couple episodes because I was afraid of what might happen to them.  Which is a credit to the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Absolutely Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Absolutely Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I liked the ending a lot more than I thought I was going to, especially given that I had already accepted the fact that there would be unrealistic "everybody was kung-fu fighting" action to wrap things up. I'm glad that they stuck to focusing on what made me love the series, the characters, and kept away from what would've been a truly bad ending with Shinkuro taking Murasaki and running away. I'm not really one to speculate on the implications of the ending however, so I'll leave that to those who are more willing to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I liked the ending a lot more than I thought I was going to, especially given that I had already accepted the fact that there would be unrealistic &#8220;everybody was kung-fu fighting&#8221; action to wrap things up. I&#8217;m glad that they stuck to focusing on what made me love the series, the characters, and kept away from what would&#8217;ve been a truly bad ending with Shinkuro taking Murasaki and running away. I&#8217;m not really one to speculate on the implications of the ending however, so I&#8217;ll leave that to those who are more willing to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanners</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Kurenai is one of those series that delivered up so much perfection that no ending could possibly have done it justice.  With that in mind, this closing episode did enough I think to wrap the series up, while still leaving us (or me at least) asking for more.

Despite being pretty hectic there was still time for some more great dialogue (and Benika's "No parking at the Inner Sanctum?" quip was a classic), and the actual answer to whether Murasaki would be saved or not was refreshing by not being black or white, as life so rarely is.  Given all that, I was really pretty disappointed by the cop-out regarding Benika (how did she not die after that?!), but I can forgive that one flaw considering how many great things this series has provided me with during its run.

In short then, I think you've summed it all up pretty well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kurenai is one of those series that delivered up so much perfection that no ending could possibly have done it justice.  With that in mind, this closing episode did enough I think to wrap the series up, while still leaving us (or me at least) asking for more.</p>
<p>Despite being pretty hectic there was still time for some more great dialogue (and Benika&#8217;s &#8220;No parking at the Inner Sanctum?&#8221; quip was a classic), and the actual answer to whether Murasaki would be saved or not was refreshing by not being black or white, as life so rarely is.  Given all that, I was really pretty disappointed by the cop-out regarding Benika (how did she not die after that?!), but I can forgive that one flaw considering how many great things this series has provided me with during its run.</p>
<p>In short then, I think you&#8217;ve summed it all up pretty well.</p>
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		<title>By: xdotx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xdotx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an example of why kurenai had a bad ending. i laughed when i saw this . 
http://lostlink.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/4-koma-oh-lord-let-my-loli-go/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an example of why kurenai had a bad ending. i laughed when i saw this .<br />
<a href="http://lostlink.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/4-koma-oh-lord-let-my-loli-go/" rel="nofollow">http://lostlink.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/4-koma-oh-lord-let-my-loli-go/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ka</title>
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		<dc:creator>ka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who knows they might give us a 2nd season with murasaki grown up version 8D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who knows they might give us a 2nd season with murasaki grown up version 8D</p>
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		<title>By: xdotx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xdotx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the political message they are trying to convey is that japanese people are trapped by tradition and a dictatorship (kouhin in this case) and they need to fight from the inside to make change happens. You can't hope to make changes by running away from your problem (or leaving japan).  do you get it yet? or do I need to spell it out for u?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the political message they are trying to convey is that japanese people are trapped by tradition and a dictatorship (kouhin in this case) and they need to fight from the inside to make change happens. You can&#8217;t hope to make changes by running away from your problem (or leaving japan).  do you get it yet? or do I need to spell it out for u?</p>
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		<title>By: Baka-Raptor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baka-Raptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you just say that Kure-nai isn't flawless? Better start running, I sense a bloodthirsty Kurenai-phile mob heading this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you just say that Kure-nai isn&#8217;t flawless? Better start running, I sense a bloodthirsty Kurenai-phile mob heading this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Matrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great review (if I am allowed to call it a review ;)). Realism is nothing, inherent logic within a show is everything. In other words, one can easily enjoy both the meticulous attention to the laws of physics in Planetes and the cool battles made possible by the blatant disregard of these same laws in just about any mecha or fighting anime. 

And yes, despite all the other worthy stuff, the characters are the most memorable thing in Kurenai indeed.

P.S. xdotx, I really hope your comment was nothing but irony. If not, I would like to hear about the political messages in Kurenai since i failed to notice any. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review (if I am allowed to call it a review ;)). Realism is nothing, inherent logic within a show is everything. In other words, one can easily enjoy both the meticulous attention to the laws of physics in Planetes and the cool battles made possible by the blatant disregard of these same laws in just about any mecha or fighting anime. </p>
<p>And yes, despite all the other worthy stuff, the characters are the most memorable thing in Kurenai indeed.</p>
<p>P.S. xdotx, I really hope your comment was nothing but irony. If not, I would like to hear about the political messages in Kurenai since i failed to notice any. <img src='http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: xdotx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xdotx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or they could had just freed the girl and make it a happy ending. This is a show of entertainment, not a way to teach philosophical lessons.  Kids watch this show for fun, not for hidden messages. The writers really ruined this show for many viewers while giving the few like yous a way to make it into a debate on right and wrong. If i wanted to see a show about political messages and etc, i watch the democrats and republicans debate. i want my happy ending damn it. WHERE IS IT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or they could had just freed the girl and make it a happy ending. This is a show of entertainment, not a way to teach philosophical lessons.  Kids watch this show for fun, not for hidden messages. The writers really ruined this show for many viewers while giving the few like yous a way to make it into a debate on right and wrong. If i wanted to see a show about political messages and etc, i watch the democrats and republicans debate. i want my happy ending damn it. WHERE IS IT?</p>
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