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	<title>Comments on: Final thoughts on Kaiba</title>
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	<description>Get decultured</description>
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		<title>By: 0rion</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2008/08/12/final-thoughts-on-kaiba/#comment-45476</link>
		<dc:creator>0rion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really turned off by the art and animation style of this show, and thus never really took the time to sit down and check it out, but I so often find myself in agreement with you when it comes to off-the-beaten track shows like that...maybe I really ought to give it another shot.

If Guff was still around he would've no doubt force fed the series to me long ago, since he loves this kind of stuff, but ah well. *sadface*

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;0rions last blog post..&lt;a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/EpicWin/~3/365450218/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Code Geass - Trainwrecking with Style&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really turned off by the art and animation style of this show, and thus never really took the time to sit down and check it out, but I so often find myself in agreement with you when it comes to off-the-beaten track shows like that&#8230;maybe I really ought to give it another shot.</p>
<p>If Guff was still around he would&#8217;ve no doubt force fed the series to me long ago, since he loves this kind of stuff, but ah well. *sadface*</p>
<p><abbr><em>0rions last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/EpicWin/~3/365450218/" rel="nofollow">Code Geass - Trainwrecking with Style</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Karura</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2008/08/12/final-thoughts-on-kaiba/#comment-45475</link>
		<dc:creator>Karura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, I saw the "plant as evolution" thing as an excuse from Popo; he couldn't stop it, so instead he hurredly thought up a way to justify letting it eat everyone- "well, that's what's meant to happen". Plus he'd just lost his mother's memories and realised that Cheki didn't know him- hardly the most stable state of mind to be making decisions.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Karuras last blog post..&lt;a href="http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2008/08/13/final-thoughts-shion-no-ou/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Final Thoughts: Shion no Ou&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, I saw the &#8220;plant as evolution&#8221; thing as an excuse from Popo; he couldn&#8217;t stop it, so instead he hurredly thought up a way to justify letting it eat everyone- &#8220;well, that&#8217;s what&#8217;s meant to happen&#8221;. Plus he&#8217;d just lost his mother&#8217;s memories and realised that Cheki didn&#8217;t know him- hardly the most stable state of mind to be making decisions.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Karuras last blog post..<a href="http://azureflame.dasaku.net/2008/08/13/final-thoughts-shion-no-ou/" rel="nofollow">Final Thoughts: Shion no Ou</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter S: to be honest, I got a bit lost shortly after the final scene with Vanilla - the story took a sharp turn in theme, which threw me off a bit. I'm certain a second viewing would be, well, essential really.

@Absolutely_Steve: the trouble with making a show so visually unusual is that it diverts attention away from everything else - in some ways it makes the production less accessible, which isn't really a good thing. I personally found it to be a refreshing change but it really is like Marmite - you either like it or you don't.

@coburn: I think Warp's redemption was so poweful as a plot device I agree that resurrecting everyone else didn't feel quite right. I mean, he beat the plant and saved his planet, saved himself and got the girl...already a happy ending!

@Ez: after the death, destruction and everything else, it really was quite something to see the final scene as a blissful moment of togetherness for Kaiba and Neiro. Like Kemo I guess, you can strip away all the inventiveness and find a good old sweet romance at the heart of it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter S: to be honest, I got a bit lost shortly after the final scene with Vanilla - the story took a sharp turn in theme, which threw me off a bit. I&#8217;m certain a second viewing would be, well, essential really.</p>
<p>@Absolutely_Steve: the trouble with making a show so visually unusual is that it diverts attention away from everything else - in some ways it makes the production less accessible, which isn&#8217;t really a good thing. I personally found it to be a refreshing change but it really is like Marmite - you either like it or you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>@coburn: I think Warp&#8217;s redemption was so poweful as a plot device I agree that resurrecting everyone else didn&#8217;t feel quite right. I mean, he beat the plant and saved his planet, saved himself and got the girl&#8230;already a happy ending!</p>
<p>@Ez: after the death, destruction and everything else, it really was quite something to see the final scene as a blissful moment of togetherness for Kaiba and Neiro. Like Kemo I guess, you can strip away all the inventiveness and find a good old sweet romance at the heart of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Ez</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2008/08/12/final-thoughts-on-kaiba/#comment-45473</link>
		<dc:creator>Ez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I think the last scene of Kaiba, with everyone's memories lost and Neiro smiling over Kaiba, sums up the entire series. 

That aside, I loved it to bits! =D

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ezs last blog post..&lt;a href="http://animeunderthesun.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/tetsuwan-birdy-decode-4/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tetsuwan Birdy Decode - 4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think the last scene of Kaiba, with everyone&#8217;s memories lost and Neiro smiling over Kaiba, sums up the entire series. </p>
<p>That aside, I loved it to bits! =D</p>
<p><abbr><em>Ezs last blog post..<a href="http://animeunderthesun.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/tetsuwan-birdy-decode-4/" rel="nofollow">Tetsuwan Birdy Decode - 4</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Absolutely_Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Absolutely_Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@coburn
I had forgotten all about the resurrection of the other characters. I'm also inclined to agree that it was a bit ridiculous, especially considering it mattered very little in the overall scheme of things. Had it been more important to the plot I wouldn't mind it, but at that point those characters had clearly run their course and it didn't really matter if they were dead or alive. Although I do think it would've been more impactful had they stayed dead given that betrayal and power struggles would have added another point to the psuedo-Instrumentality angle.

And back on that point I can see where you're coming from with the destruction prone Kaiba going toward it being more acceptable than the crazy rambling of Popo. Even so I still think they could have executed it much better than they did so it still leaves me a bit sour on the whole thing. Maybe had they cut down on the pointless action I would have liked it more since, while it gave us some great visuals, one of the things I liked about Kaiba was that it didn't have to follow the usual course of "action = good" to be entertaining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@coburn<br />
I had forgotten all about the resurrection of the other characters. I&#8217;m also inclined to agree that it was a bit ridiculous, especially considering it mattered very little in the overall scheme of things. Had it been more important to the plot I wouldn&#8217;t mind it, but at that point those characters had clearly run their course and it didn&#8217;t really matter if they were dead or alive. Although I do think it would&#8217;ve been more impactful had they stayed dead given that betrayal and power struggles would have added another point to the psuedo-Instrumentality angle.</p>
<p>And back on that point I can see where you&#8217;re coming from with the destruction prone Kaiba going toward it being more acceptable than the crazy rambling of Popo. Even so I still think they could have executed it much better than they did so it still leaves me a bit sour on the whole thing. Maybe had they cut down on the pointless action I would have liked it more since, while it gave us some great visuals, one of the things I liked about Kaiba was that it didn&#8217;t have to follow the usual course of &#8220;action = good&#8221; to be entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: coburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>coburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't mind the rush ending, and found it quite compelling - although not quite so perfectly formed as a few of the preceding episodes. The multi-betrayal was definitely a high point.

@ABSteve Re. the pseudo-instrumentality: 
When it first cropped up with Popo I also thought it was fairly weak and did indeed come out of nowhere. But when it was the crazy raving uber-powered Kaiba threatening it I thought it worked. I mean, he's an invincible demi-god. He can survive anything, and he can destroy everyone if he doesn't want to be redeemed. I thought that his sudden wilfully destructive attitude was in some ways prepared by the depressing scenes with the fake-Warp who showed that bad path mentality.

It was a bit fast for a final episode, which had me thinking that the desired affect was to move from 'beat the baddie' into 'destruction = bad reaction' as quickly and unnervingly as possible. to really hammer home that this guy used to kill 13 people before breakfast every day. My problem with the ending was really with the dead guys all getting up. I was OK with the wildly dramatised threat of annihilation - but sudden resurrections was a bit much.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;coburns last blog post..&lt;a href="http://claiming.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/concluding-kaiba/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Concluding Kaiba&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mind the rush ending, and found it quite compelling - although not quite so perfectly formed as a few of the preceding episodes. The multi-betrayal was definitely a high point.</p>
<p>@ABSteve Re. the pseudo-instrumentality:<br />
When it first cropped up with Popo I also thought it was fairly weak and did indeed come out of nowhere. But when it was the crazy raving uber-powered Kaiba threatening it I thought it worked. I mean, he&#8217;s an invincible demi-god. He can survive anything, and he can destroy everyone if he doesn&#8217;t want to be redeemed. I thought that his sudden wilfully destructive attitude was in some ways prepared by the depressing scenes with the fake-Warp who showed that bad path mentality.</p>
<p>It was a bit fast for a final episode, which had me thinking that the desired affect was to move from &#8216;beat the baddie&#8217; into &#8216;destruction = bad reaction&#8217; as quickly and unnervingly as possible. to really hammer home that this guy used to kill 13 people before breakfast every day. My problem with the ending was really with the dead guys all getting up. I was OK with the wildly dramatised threat of annihilation - but sudden resurrections was a bit much.</p>
<p><abbr><em>coburns last blog post..<a href="http://claiming.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/concluding-kaiba/" rel="nofollow">Concluding Kaiba</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Absolutely_Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.concretebadger.net/blog/2008/08/12/final-thoughts-on-kaiba/#comment-45470</link>
		<dc:creator>Absolutely_Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed on pretty much everything. Although I have to admit I would probably think less of those who were put off solely by the art since I get sick of people rejecting series just because they aren't in the generic anime style or some equally ignorant reason.

"...at least didn’t go all Instrumentality on us."

Just dangerously close. That was one of the few things that I didn't like about Kaiba. The entire forced evolution via being devoured by the Kaiba plant thing did not sit well with me. Not because it was bad so much as it seemed like a silly thing for the series to jump to suddenly. Looking back I can see where the general idea might be able to develop from, but much like you said the ending seemed rushed and due to that I don't think it worked nearly as well as it could have if it had a bit more time to introduce a few more reasons why that path was being contemplated.

Other than the rushing of the last couple episodes however Kaiba was certainly an excellent, thought-provoking anime. It's going to be tough to top it when it comes to being the best anime of '08, but the fall season looks to be packing a punch and a half so we'll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on pretty much everything. Although I have to admit I would probably think less of those who were put off solely by the art since I get sick of people rejecting series just because they aren&#8217;t in the generic anime style or some equally ignorant reason.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;at least didn’t go all Instrumentality on us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just dangerously close. That was one of the few things that I didn&#8217;t like about Kaiba. The entire forced evolution via being devoured by the Kaiba plant thing did not sit well with me. Not because it was bad so much as it seemed like a silly thing for the series to jump to suddenly. Looking back I can see where the general idea might be able to develop from, but much like you said the ending seemed rushed and due to that I don&#8217;t think it worked nearly as well as it could have if it had a bit more time to introduce a few more reasons why that path was being contemplated.</p>
<p>Other than the rushing of the last couple episodes however Kaiba was certainly an excellent, thought-provoking anime. It&#8217;s going to be tough to top it when it comes to being the best anime of &#8216;08, but the fall season looks to be packing a punch and a half so we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To enjoy a series when most of time I had no idea what was going on, that says something.  

My confusion over the plot was so great that I watched the finale not even knowing I had accidentally skipped eps 10 and 11.  I realized it halfway through.   Yet I still enjoyed it.  It's just so damn good to look at.  

One day (when the backlog is taken care of--HA!) I will give it the viewing it deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To enjoy a series when most of time I had no idea what was going on, that says something.  </p>
<p>My confusion over the plot was so great that I watched the finale not even knowing I had accidentally skipped eps 10 and 11.  I realized it halfway through.   Yet I still enjoyed it.  It&#8217;s just so damn good to look at.  </p>
<p>One day (when the backlog is taken care of&#8211;HA!) I will give it the viewing it deserves.</p>
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